Astrotheology: The Truth about Jesus Christ  and the New Testament

born in a cave or manger...truth...or sun myth retold?


The history of Jesus Christ and the "Jesus Story" corresponds with that of other Sun-gods and Saviors in that nearly all sungods and sun-god men are represented as being born in a cave or dungeon just like the Jesus of the "Jesus Story" in the New Testament.

But saying the above and proving it beyond any doubt will take some time and the presentation of knowledge that is not possessed by the typical Christian in his church today. Our topic for this article is the birth narrative of Jesus Christ that maintains he was born in a manger or as Christian tradition maintains that he was born in a "cave". In Christian tradition, Jesus was said to be born variously in a manger, stable and/or cave, like many other preceding gods.

Originally Jesus was said to have been born in a cave. Most Christians will not be familiar with this possibly as the Gospel of Luke is the one gospel to refer to "manger". The Catholic Encyclopedia (1910) article on "Bethlehem" says, "The tradition of the birth in a cave was widely accepted, as we see from Origen's words about a century later: — In Bethlehem the cave is pointed out where he was born, and the manger in the cave where he was wrapped in swaddling clothes, and the rumor is in those places and among foreigners of the Faith that indeed Jesus was born in this cave (Contra Celsum, I, li.). If one were to read some of the apocryphal gospels (Pseudo-Matt., xiii, ap. Bonaccorsi, op. cit., 159-163; Protevang. of James, xvii sqq., Bonaccorsi, 155-159; Gospel of the Infancy, II-IV, Bonaccorsi, 163-164) one would encounter the birth of Jesus in a cave more often (Eusebius's Life of Constantine, lib. 3, chs xl, xli, and xlii.).

We all know the story I suppose or do we. Few Christians have ever done the necessary study to link the story of Jesus' passion, death, and resurrection to the events of the Winter solstice. Just like the Sun who appears to have died for 3 days at the Winter solstice Jesus, at his death, is placed in a cave for 3 days and like the Sun he will arise again after these 3 days of great darkness where he fights the "dark-evil, d-evil, devil" as does the Sun fights the greatest darkness of the year at the Winter solstice. This is the prophecy that is built upon the recurrent pattern noticed by the Ancients in Astronomy and Astrology for thousands of years prior to the supposed time of Jesus. A little background might help those not familiar with the Winter solstice but I hope you read the above link and then you will see quite clearly what we are showing the reader. On Christmas day, December 25, we celebrate the birth of Jesus that occurred in a cave. December 22 was the Winter Solstice, the shortest day of the year, when the Sun was at its lowest. Three days later, on December 25, the sun rises 1/10 of it's width farther north which was just barely detectable by the Ancients by very carefully observing the shadows cast by the Sun at sunrise. Their savior, the Sun, has been reborn, to begin the cycle of the year and the cycle of life again. No longer had they to fear the darkness; at least not for another year.

Answer for yourself: Does it strike you as somewhat odd that the life of Jesus begins in a cave and ends in a cave as well? If one is to think about this for a second it would appear that the "Jesus Story" is circular just as the years are circular. A new year begins after the old year ends.

Answer for yourself: Does this story appear to be circular to you, the reader, just as the years are circular in that a new year begins after the old year ends? We will come back to this point in just a second but you need to be alerted to some facts right about now.




Answer for yourself: Are you aware that the divine baby Adonis, also known as Tammuz, was born in the very cave in Bethlehem now considered the birthplace of Jesus long before the Christian era?

I have a great book in my library from an "honest" Christian apologist by the name of Arthur Weigall in which he admits, when speaking of Adonis, that he was born in the same cave as later attributed to the birth of Jesus:

The propriety of this appropriation was increased by the fact that the worship of a god in a cave was a commonplace in paganism: Apollo, Cybele, Demeter, Herakles, Hermes, Mithra and Poseidon were all adored in caves; Hermes, the Greek logos being born of Maia in a cave, and Mithra being rock-born (A. Weigall, The Paganism In Our Christianity, 1928).

Upon study one finds that the "cave" or "manger" motif is part of a ancient, myth, representing both the winter (the darkness per day is greater than light following the Summer solstice as the Sun falls in the sky to it death at the Winter solstice) and the setting of the sun (sunset daily), when it appears to go underground or into the underworld, the realm of darkness and death, which is the womb of both the heavens and earth.

Answer for yourself: What do both of these ancient myths have in common? They both refer to the Sun being subjected to "darkness" which for the Ancients was interpreted as a form of death!

Barbara Walker says, "The cave was universally identified with the womb of Mother Earth, the logical place for symbolic birth and regeneration" (Barbara Walker, The Women's Encyclopedia Of Myths And Secrets, 1983.

Answer for yourself: So what are we dealing with now in speaking of a cave and womb? We are dealing with the oldest cosmic law of the Universe and Cosmos: birth, life, death, and rebirth through the symbolism of a cave as applied to the path of the Sun through the sky and Zodiac as well as it daily path through the Heavens from its sunrise to sunset as interpreted by the Ancients.

Answer for yourself: Why do we find that the Gospel of Luke relates a "manger birth" but later this becomes changed to a "cave" in later Church traditions?

I have found that these confusing stories regarding the solar babe being born in a cave, manger and or stable are tied to the changing of the heavens, specifically the precession of the equinoxes. Accordingly some nations began their calendars with the Sun in Capricorn and others began their calendars with the Sun in Virgo. Gerald Massey, in his The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ, states that the cave and the stable are two types of the birthplace of the Sun. I concur. These birth motifs, cave and stable, represent the Winter solstice since the Sun was believed to be birthed from the darkness of death having lied motionless for 3 days in the Heavens at the Winter solstice.

Answer for yourself: Are you aware that the Christian Fathers identified the birth of the Christ both with the time of the Vernal equinox and the Winter solstice? How can that be?

Massey relates for us that Cassini had demonstrated the fact that the date assigned to the birth of Christ is astronomical. I suggest you read the following slowly in order to catch the impossibility of what Rome declared. The birth of Christ was calculated, according to the tradition of the roman church, by an astronomical epoch, in which, as shown by modern tables, the middle conjunction of the moon with the sun occurred on the 24th of March, according to the Julian form, at half-past one o'clock in the morning, at the meridian of Jerusalem, the very day of the Vernal equinox. The day following the 25th of March was the day of the incarnation according to tradition of the church as represented by Augustine, but which was the time of birth according to Clement of Alexander. Here the incarnation coincides with the conjunction of sun and moon at the end and re-beginning of the equinoctial year at the Spring equinox. Nine months after this conjunction of the solar father and the lunar mother, who are portrayed in the earliest know picture of the crucified, the divine child was born in Winter solstice, December the 25th, the date previously assigned to the birth of the young sun-god Mithras, and to Horus the child in Egypt dating back thousands of years. Plutarch tells us that the virgin mother, Isis, was delivered of Harpocrates (ie. Horus considered as the child of the mother alone) about the Winter solstice. They also observe the festival of her afterbirth (the Hebrew Shiloh), or Horus, the son of the father, after the Vernal equinox. These two astronomical dates were continued by the Equinoctial Christolators, who could not account for them in the absence of the gnosis once held by Egypt, hence the time of the one birth, which is impossible as human history, but is true to the mythos and the two Horuses. As you can see Rome had "two" births for the Christ, the Vernal Equinox and the Winter solstice.

Answer for yourself: How many births does a human being have? Only one. Again this shows the Astronomical background for the Christ Myth of Rome.

The birthday of Mithra, the invincible one, was celebrated as an ancient festival, on the 25th of December, the day of the solstice, our Christmas day. Mithra, like the later Jesus, was born in a cave, and wherever Mithra was worshipped, the cave was consecrated to him; as the "highly-mysterious cavern" was sacred to the Sungod in Egypt.

In the "Gospel of James", the child Jesus, like Horus and Mithra, was born in a cave. The "Gospel of pseudo-Matthew" says Mary entered the "cave below a cavern in which there was never any light" to bring forth the light of the world, and on the third day she "went out of the cave and entering a stable, put her child in a manger". In the "History of Joseph the Carpenter", the Christ affirms that his mother gave birth to him in a cave. According to the Arabic "Gospel of the Infancy", the birth occurred in a cave.

But Mithra was also born in a cave as was the Christ. The cave of Mithras was that of the Sun born in the Winter solstice when this occurred in the sign of the Sea-goat, Capricorn just like the "Jesus Story" according to calendars beginning with the Sun in Capricorn. Abba Udda, the Akkadian name of the tenth month, answering roughly to December, the month of Capricorn, and this denotes the Cave of Light and indicates the location for the birth of the Mithraic Messiah at the Winter solstice just like the "Jesus Story". The cave, or Winter solstice in Capricorn, was the birthplace of the Mithraic Messiah from 2410 to 255 B.C.E., and this was continued as the cave or birthplace of the Christ after it ceased to be applicable to the solar god. Justin says that Christ was born on the same day that the Sun was reborn in stabula Augiae and the stable of Augias, cleansed by Herakles in his sixth labor, and corresponds to the cave in the Sea-goat. Thus the cave and the stable (and manger) are types of the birthplace of the Sun at the Winter solstice. Justin, determined to include both motifs, asserts that Christ was born in the stable and afterwards took refuge in the cave. No messiah, however, whether called Mithras, Horus, or Christ could have been born in the stable of Augias or the cave of Udda on the 25th of December after the date of 225 B.C., because the solstice had passed out of the sign of Capricorn into the asterism of the archer of Sagittarius. Those who continued this symbolism made an error in Astronomy but don't worry; few would every notice since such Astronomical secrets were kept hidden for those initiates in the "Inner Mysteries" of Christianity and not the "Outer Mysteries" which encompassed the vast majority of Christians back then as well as today.

Now I want to say a few more things about this "circular" appearance of the "Jesus Story".

Answer for yourself: We just saw that the birth of Jesus has a lot in common with the births of others sungods and sun-god men like Adonis, Horus, Mithra, etc. Have you ever noticed that the "Jesus Story" is circular, that it ends right where it a cave? He originally was said to have been born in a cave and he dies and is placed again in a cave. He ends up where he began as if making a full circle.

Answer for yourself: Could there be any connection with the "Jesus Story" and these caves with the Zodiac which itself is a circle?

Answer for yourself: Is it a coincidence that at the end of the "Jesus Story" that he is again in a cave when he dies, only to be resurrected from that cave or stone quarry three days later at the Winter solstice?

Answer for yourself: Are these "cave references" a veiled reference to the Zodiac and the circular procession of the constellations that revolve before us as the Sun passes through them yearly and begin again the next year as depicted in the one year ministry of Jesus Christ in the New Testament? Impossible" you say but hold on now as the evidence which I will present, and have presented if you have read our other articles, removes all doubt that the "literalized" story of Jesus in the New Testament is but the personification of the Sun as it travels through the Zodiac on a yearly basis.

A new year begins immediately after the old year ends. On New Years Eve we celebrate the end of the old{short description of image} year, personified as an old man, and the "birth" of the new year, personified as "Baby New Year." We don't actually think "Baby New Year" and "Father Time" are real people, we understand they are just personifications of abstract concepts. In like manner the allegories of the Sun and its passage through the Zodiac have been over time "personified" as if a real person and that person if the Jesus of the "Jesus Story".

The "cave" story is again the personification of the path of the Sun through the Heavens and sky. As the Sun{short description of image} rises in the mornings it projects its rays upon the land and this "tube of light" cutting through the darkness was likened by the Ancients to a "cave of darkness". I ask that you look at the picture on the left and notice if you will the streaks of light that come from the Sun as it rises from the darkness of night at sunrise. These sunrays were seen by the Ancients as the Sun shining through a tube of darkness which for them they reasoned as a cave in the sky. In such a way the Ancients reasoned that the Sun was being born from a cave of darkness as its light is emitted in the form of a sunray or bean emanating from a darkened cave. Thus we have the Sun being "born" in it many manifestations as from a cave, or as it was personified as "the Son of the Sun" later being likewise born in a cave. This "cave", which we find in the "Jesus Story", was understood by the Ancients as the dark abode from which the wandering Sun starts in the morning (Cox, Aryan Mythology, vol.i., 1878, p. 153). Cox goes on to say that "As the Dawn springs fully armed from the forehead of the cloven Sky, so the eye first discerns the blue of heaven, as the first faint arch of light is seen in the East. This arch is the cave in which the infant is nourished until he reaches his full strength; in other words, until the day is fully come."

As the hour of the expected birth drew near, the mother became more beautiful, her form more brilliant, while the dungeon was filled with a heavenly light as when Zeus came to Danae in a golden shower (Cox, Aryan Mythology, vol. ii., 1878, p. 133).

{short description of image}At length the child is born, and a serene light encircles his cradle, just as the Sun appears at early dawn in the East, in all its splendor. His presence reveals itself there, in the dark cave, by his first rays, which brightens the countenances of his mother and others who are present at his birth. Please notice the "nimbus" or "halo" above the young child's head. Surrounding the heads in many depictions of the "mother and child" we find in Christian art this recurrence of this halo or nimbus. This "nimbus’ or radiant light, in the form of a circle or halo, originated in sun worship. The nimbus was used to indicate the radiance of the sun gods or goddesses and was applied to both the infant Jesus as well as the adult Jesus as were other manifestations of the Sun as in the form of halos about the personifications of the Sun; be it the Mary as the mother of god or the Christ child in the "Jesus Story".

It is recorded in the Protevangelion, Apoc. ch. 14, that when Christ Jesus was born, all of a sudden there was a great light in the cave, so that their eyes could not bear it.

Answer for yourself: We have heard that the Magi were searching for the "Christ" child of the Jews. Have you ever stopped to wonder why Persian astrologers would have received prior notice of the Jewish Messiah's birth? He is not of their own religion. Could the clue be Astronomy once again?

Answer for yourself: What Persian wise men would come to honor the birth of a Jewish peasant unknown to the local king?

Answer for yourself: How could a star guide them to Israel, and then to a particular house in the inconspicuous village of Bethlehem?

Christian tradition, especially art, tends to locate the visit of the shepherds and the Magi on the same night{short description of image} (presumably the actual night of Jesus' birth). But Matthew says nothing about shepherds, and Luke nothing about wise men. The tradition that the Magi were kings did not arise until the sixth century AD, but Magi were known in Persia from at least the sixth century BC. They were priests who specialized in interpreting astronomical and other signs. After Alexander the Great exported Greek culture throughout the known world (in a process known as Hellenization) some Magi left Babylon and travelled to neighboring countries to teach and practise their craft. In those days astronomy and astrology were one core educational and cultural subject. Here is our link to the Sun once again. The term "magi" comes from the old Persian language describing priests of Zarathustra (Zoroaster). The Bible gives us the direction, East and the legend states that the wise men were from Persia (Iran) - Balthasar, Melchior, Caspar - thus being priests of Zarathustra religion, the mages. Of interest to us again is Christian art for many paintings depicting these magi also include a baby Jesus again with a halo or nimbus around his head; again a hidden reference to Sun worship.

In spite of these peculiar omissions by the above gospel writers perhaps the primary symbol of Christmas is the nativity scene. In this season, we always see depictions of baby Jesus in the stable with Mary and Joseph. Animals such as donkeys are all around and the shepherds are there with their sheep. And two weeks later, on the Feast of the Epiphany, the Three Kings are added to the nativity scene. We've all grown up with this holiday tradition.

Answer for yourself: Are you aware that there is little Biblical evidence to support this familiar picture? The Gospel of Luke describes the birth of Jesus and the visitation by the shepherds. The text in Luke 2:7 simply says:

Luke 2:7 7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. (KJV)

Thayer's Greek Lexicon: 5336 phatne- a crib, a manger

Strong's Concordance: 5336 phatne (fat'-nay); from pateomai (to eat); a crib (for fodder): KJV-- manager, stall.

Notice that this text does not describe a "stable" with animals all around. A manger is a feeding trough, not a stable as many people believe. While it does seem that a manger would most likely be found in a stable, it could also have been outside. So Jesus could well have been born in the street. At any rate, the text isn't clear on this particular point, and the Christmas story is enshrouded with tradition.

Answer for yourself: Are you aware that in Bethlehem, there is a church called the Church of the Nativity that is traditionally regarded as the site of Jesus' birth?

Answer for yourself: Are you also aware that this church is in an underground cave where animals had purportedly been kept in the First Century? The Church of the Nativity was built in the Fourth Century by the Emperor Constantine and is one of the oldest surviving Christian churches.

Answer for yourself: Are you aware that many births of similar "saviors" and "sungods personified" in caves/mangers that preceded Jesus' birth by thousands of years and read just like the "Jesus Story"?




Horus, the son of Isis and Osiris, the reborn Sun, was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.

The god Dionysus, or Bacchus, was born in a cave from a virgin on December 25th at the winter solstice, was later killed and resurrected. The image of him as a babe was laid in a basket-cradle in the cave in which he was born. His rituals involved sacrifices and a sacred communion with a cup of blood which was shared among his followers. This blood was thought to renew one's life, and the practice continued well into the second century B.C.E., after which it was downgraded to drinking wine symbolically turned "into blood".

Nearly identical to the Greek cult of Dionysus, was the Roman cult of Bacchus. Also the god of wine and renewal, his name remains with us today in the term "bachelor". Yet another Roman god's cult remains with us more strongly then in just a name. Originally worshipped in Persia and later by the Roman military, the god Mithra appears in some Indo-European lands as the god of renewal and resurrection. As with many pre-Christian gods of the same genre, Mithra was born of a virgin in a cave or rock on December 25th at the winter solstice, he later died and resurrected. The infrastructure of the Mithra cult served as the foundation for the Catholic Church which was to follow centuries later. His rites included a sacrifice of a bull whose blood was believed to wash away sins and grant the power of renewal. Scholars now believe that this act creates a "timestamp" of the distant past, and reveals the sun god's connection to the constellation Taurus, for at one time, the spring equinox occurred in this sign. Conducted at the Temple of the mother goddess Cybele, the land on which it stood was later to become the Vatican in Rome. Led by a priest called the Pater (Father), followers shared a communion of small loaves of bread marked with a solar cross and a bowl of wine, believed transmuted into the sacred blood shed for them. And every year they celebrated the birthday of this god who had come, they said, to take away the sins of the world; and the day was December 25th. As that day approached, near midnight of the 24th, Christians might see the stern devotees of Mithra going to their temple on the Vatican, and at midnight it would shine with joy and light. The Savior of the world was born. He had been born in a cave, like so many other sun-gods: and some of the apocryphal Gospels put the birth of Christ in a cave.

In Armenian tradition, Mithras was believed to shut himself up in a cave from which he emerged once a year, born anew. The Persians introduced initiates to the mysteries in natural caves, according to Porphyry, the third century Neoplatonic philosopher. These cave temples were created in the image of the World Cave that Mithras had created, according to the Persian creation myth. A further tradition is that Mithra was born from a rock within a cave, and his birth was witnessed by a group of shepherds. This birth, like the birth of Jesus, not only was witnessed by shepherd and Magi, but they also brought gifts to his sacred birth-cave.

Mithra's worship was always conducted in a cave; and the general belief in the early Church that Jesus was born in a cave is a direct instance of the taking over of Mithraic ideas. The words of Paul are very revealing and it makes you wonder just what type of "Christ" he is teaching:

1 Cor 10:4 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. (KJV)

It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out rather quickly that these words of Paul are borrowed from the Mithraic scriptures; for not only was Mithra "the Rock'', but one of his mythological acts, which also appears in the acts of Moses, was the striking of the rock and the producing of water from it which his followers eagerly drank. Justin Martyr, in his Dialogue With Trypho, ch. 70, complains that the prophetic words in the Book of Daniel (Daniel 2:34) regarding a stone which was cut out of the rock without hands were also used in the Mithraic ritual; and it is apparent that the great importance attached by the early Church to the supposed words of Jesus in regard to Peter

Matt 16:18 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (KJV)

was due to their approximation to the Mithraic idea of the /Theos ek Petras/, the "God from the Rock''. Indeed, it may be that the reason of the Vatican hill at Rome being regarded as sacred to Peter, the Christian "Rock'', was that it was already sacred to Mithra, for Mithraic remains have been found there.

{short description of image}As stated Mithraic worship always took place in caves, these being either natural or artificial. Now the early Christians, openly and for no reasons of secrecy or security, employed those subterranean rock chambers known as catacombs both for their burials and for public worship. Like the Mithraic caves, these catacombs were decorated with paintings, amongst which the subject of Moses striking the rock, which, as I have said above, has a Mithraic parallel, is often represented. The most frequent theme is that of Jesus as the Good Shepherd; and although it is generally agreed that the figure of Jesus carrying a lamb is taken from the statues of Hermes Kriophoros [Pausanias, iv. 33.], the kid-carrying god, Mithra is sometimes shown carrying a bull across his shoulders, and Apollo, who, in his solar aspect and as the patron of the rocks [Hymn to the Delian Apollo], is to be identified with Mithra, is often called "The Good Shepherd". At the birth of Mithra the child was adored by shepherds, who brought gifts to him (Encyc. Brit, 11th ed., vol. xvii., p. 623).

The typical mithraeum, or Mithraic temple, was a small rectangular subterranean chamber, on the order of 75{short description of image} feet by 30 feet with a vaulted ceiling. An aisle usually ran lengthwise down the center of the temple, with a stone bench on either side two or three feet high on which the cult's members would recline during their meetings. On average a mithraeum could hold perhaps twenty to thirty people at a time. At the back of the mithraeum at the end of the aisle was always found a representation-- usually a carved relief but sometimes a statue or painting-- of the central icon of Mithraism: the so-called tauroctony or "bull-slaying scene" in which the god of the cult, Mithras, accompanied by a dog, a snake, a raven, and a scorpion, is shown in the act of killing a bull. We know today that these animals are symbols for constellations.

The tauroctony depicts the bull-slaying as taking place inside a cave, and the Mithraic temples were built in imitation of caves. But caves are precisely hollows within the rocky earth, which suggests that the rock from which Mithras is born is meant to represent the Mithraic cave as seen from the outside. Now for our purpose we must not notice that the ancient author Porphyry records the tradition that the Mithraic cave was intended to be "an image of the cosmos." Of course, the hollow cave would have to be an image of the cosmos as seen from the inside, looking out at the enclosing, cave-like sphere of the stars. But if the cave symbolizes the cosmos as seen from the inside, it follows that the rock out of which Mithras is born must ultimately be a symbol for the cosmos as seen from the outside (David Ulansey, The Origins Of The Mithraic Mysteries, (Oxford University Press, revised paperback, 1991).

The Vatican was built upon the grounds previously devoted to the worship of Mithra (600 B.C.). The{short description of image} Orthodox Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version. It would appear to the thinking believer that the Cosmic Christ of Christianity is but a personification of the Sun after all just like Mithra and all the other solar gods. The picture is close enough that you get the idea. Virtually all of the elements of Orthodox Christian rituals, from miter, wafer, water baptism, alter, and doxology, were adopted from the Mithra and earlier pagan mystery religions in the depiction of the Jesus of the "Jesus Story" in the New Testament. The religion of Mithra preceded Christianity by roughly six hundred years. Mithraic worship at one time covered a large portion of the ancient world. It flourished as late as the second century. The Messianic idea originated in ancient Persia and this is where the Jewish and Christian concepts of a Savior came from.

The Greeks had a similar celebration. The general idea of a divine son being born in a cave was, as you are seeing presently, common; and there were actually several scenic representations of the birth of these gods in their festivals. J.M. Robertson gives three in his Christianity and Mythology," (p. 330). Hermes, the Logos (like Jesus in John), the messenger of the gods, son of Zeus and the virgin Maia, was born in a cave, and he performed extraordinary prodigies a few hours after birth. He was represented as a "child wrapped in swaddling clothes and lying in a manger (John Jackson, Christianity Before Christ, 1985). As stated above Dionysus (or Bacchus) was similarly represented. The image of him as a babe was laid in a basket-cradle in the cave in which he was born.

Answer for yourself: Coincidence? Well we have seen a bunch of information and gained a lot of knowledge. Now you have a lot to consider. Take by itself maybe this one article is not persuasive but when you look at all the articles and the evidences presented then you have a real problem on your hands concerning the "historical Jesus" or the lack of one. I have resided myself to the undeniable conclusion that the "Jesus Story" is the retelling of the Ancient mythos of the path of the Sun through the Zodiac later personified as the Jesus of the New Testament. You will have to decide for yourself as you examine each piece of evidence.

Answer for yourself: Do you want to know the truth before you die? I sure do.

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